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PostPosted: Wed Aug 20, 2014 9:52 am 
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No one should be getting killed but being antisemetic only encourages the Hamas terrorists to try and murder more Israelis .


On can find an excuse for anything if you are willing to twist the truth a bit. Antisemitism doesn't actually exist. You cannot even define the term if asked and or provide an "real" example of it.

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The Israelis have got it wrong and much more so the terrorists .


These so called rockets are probably fired by IDF agents just to create an excuse to murder more Palestinians. Sadly it is working and over a 1,000 Palestinian children have been murdered along with scores of buildings and homes destroyed.

one can find an excuse for anything, just wiggle, squirm and fudge here and there, no one will notice.

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If some force started sending warhead rockets into New Zealand what would you expect our govt. to do.


I live in the USA not New Zealand

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How many people did our soldiers kill during the great war and others .


one can find an excuse for anything, just wiggle, squirm and fudge here and there, no one will notice.

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There is a better way but humankind as a whole are just not interested .


Or so you want to believe


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 20, 2014 9:54 am 
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Google Irgun, Haganah and Stern gangs and you will get 144,000 hits

Zionists threw bombs into buses and cafes and sent bombs to British officials in the first ever recorded “terrorist” acts

*November 25, 1940. S.S.Patria was blown up by Jewish terrorists in Haifa harbor
*November 6, 1944. Zionist terrorists of the Stern Gang assassinated the British Minister Resident
*July 22, 1946. Zionist terrorists blew up the King David Hotel in Jerusalem
*October 1, 1946. The British Embassy in Rome was badly damaged by bomb explosions
*June 1947. Letters sent to British Cabinet Ministers were found to contain bombs.
*September 3, 1947. A postal bomb addressed to the British War Office exploded in the post office sorting room in London, injuring 2 persons.
*December ll, 1947. Six Arabs were killed and 30 wounded when bombs were thrown from Jewish trucks at Arab buses in Haifa;
*December 13,1947. Zionist terrorists killed 18 Arabs and wounded nearly 60 in Jerusalem, Jaffa and Lydda areas. In Jerusalem, bombs were thrown in an Arab market-place near the Damascus Gate; in Jaffa, bombs were thrown into an Arab café; in the Arab village of Al Abbasya, near Lydda, 12 Arabs were killed in an attack with mortars and automatic weapons.
*December 19, 1947. Haganah terrorists attacked an Arab village near Safad, blowing up two houses in the ruins of which were found the bodies of 10 Arabs, including 5 children. Haganah admitted responsibility for the attack.
*December 13, 1947 -- February 10, 1948. Seven incidents of bomb-tossing at innocent Arab civilians in cafes and markets, killing 138 and wounding 271 others, During this period, there were 9 attacks on Arab buses. Zionists mined passenger trains on at least 4 occasions, killing 93 persons and wounding 161 others.
*December 29, 1947. Two British constables and 11 Arabs were killed and 32 Arabs injured, at the Damascus Gate in Jerusalem when Irgun members threw a bomb from a taxi.
*December 30,1947. A mixed force of the Zionist Palmach and the "Carmel Brigade" attacked the village of Balad al Sheikh, killing more than 60 Arabs.
*April 9, 1948. A combined force of Irgun Zvai Leumi and the Stern Gang, supported by the Palmach forces, captured the Arab village of Deir Yassin and killed more than 200 unarmed civilians, including countless women and children. Older men and young women were captured and paraded in chains in the Jewish Quarter of Jerusalem; 20 of the hostages were then shot in the quarry of Gevaat Shaul.
*January 4, 1948. Haganah terrorists wearing British Army uniforms penetrated into the center of Jaffa and blew up the Serai (the old Turkish Government House) which was used as a headquarters of the Arab National Committee, killing more than 40 persons and wounding 98 others.

BTW: The Haganah gang later became the Israeli Defense Force (IDF)

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 20, 2014 10:19 am 
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A poster states -- god doesn't exist.

the christians hate the jews because their religion teaches them they killed jesus.

also, the jews stubbornly reject jesus as messiah. antisemitism comes from christianity, nowhere else. the

bible is a myth which tries to explain why the jews aren't rulers of the world, even though their god created everything. you can't see any of this because you have an agenda. hitler picked up antisemitism from christianity, as did the muslims. in the muslims' case, it was exacerbated by the creation of Israel

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 20, 2014 10:21 am 
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“I have never before watched soldiers entice children like mice into a trap and murder them for sport."

http://www.israel-state-terrorism.org/children.html

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Three-year-old Rawan Abu Zeid, who took bullets in the neck and head while buying candy with her friends.

5 June 2004

http://electronicintifada.net/v2/article2785.shtml

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15 year old boy & Amer Kathym & Rouhi Hazem Shouman all shot in the back by a sniper.

http://www.palestinemonitor.org/appeals ... _siege.htm

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WHEN WILL HAMAS LEARN THAT TERRORISM DOESN'T PAY?



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The 25 mile strip of land, in-between the Mediterranean Sea and Israel’s southwest border, known as the Gaza Strip, has been home to over ten thousand rockets launched at Israel since 2006 and in return has suffered billions of dollars in damage. As a result of the 1993 Oslo Peace Accords, the territory was designated to be part of a Palestinian State under the same Palestinian Authority (PA) that governs the West Bank. Hamas, however, won local elections in 2006, and subsequently kicked the PA out of Gaza in 2007. They have been ruling the area since.

WHO IS HAMAS?

Hamas is a jihadist, Muslim Brotherhood organization that is labeled a terrorist organization by the United States, the European Union, Canada, Great Britain, Australia, Japan, and Egypt. Their charter calls for the destruction of Israel and their spokespersons and clerics regularly espouse their commitment to this goal.
The primary reason that Hamas rules Gaza is not to provide a better life for its inhabitants, but to have a base from which they can build the military capability to destroy Israel. If their intentions were otherwise, Hamas would have used the $100 million worth of cement and construction materials they received to build much needed housing for its ballooning population. Instead, Hamas chose to build an underground network of tunnels designed to deliver hundreds of terrorists inside Israel. Some of the tunnels were large enough for trucks to drive through, and many were equipped with supplies for sedating and transporting kidnapped Israelis.

In fact, a major terrorist attack was being planned for Rosh Hashanah, the Jewish New Year, on September 25th. If Israel had not entered Gaza and discovered these plans, over 200 terrorists would have snuck into Israel through the tunnels intent on killing thousands of Israeli civilians and kidnapping others.
Hamas also demonstrated callous disregard for their own people, allowing some 160 children who had been used for child-labor to die while building the tunnels and by executing some 17 men who had overseen the building of the tunnels so they could not provide intelligence to Israel. Life has little meaning to Hamas fighters who glorify death in the cause of Jihad.

COMPLICITY OF THE UN

With inhabitants numbering around 1.82 million people, Gaza is an overcrowded area with one of the highest population growth rates in the world. Most of the inhabitants are considered refugees by the UN who provides them with schools, sustenance, hospitals and the like. Hamas does provide some social services, but the presence of the UN relieves Hamas of much of the burden.
Unfortunately, the UN also perpetuates the sorry state of affairs in Gaza. First, they refuse to treat Palestinian refugees like all other refugees, and provide for their resettlement, thereby keeping Palestinian refugees in an ongoing state of limbo. In addition, Palestinian refugees are the only refugee group whose children and grandchildren are also awarded refugee status. So, while there are only 30,000 original refugees from 1948 alive today, the UN is caring for some 5 million Palestinians, keeping many in “refugee camps” rather than providing for their absorption into host countries.

Also, the UN in Gaza cooperates so fully with the Hamas government that at times the lines are blurred between the two. For example, the UN Development Program office in Gaza allowed “non-UN employees,” without any paper trail, to oversee the procurement and use of the concrete that was then used to build Hamas tunnels. When rockets were found in UN schools they were conveniently turned back over to Hamas, and the UN published as fact the civilian casualty figures provided by Hamas.
Not only did Hamas control reports of civilian casualties, they controlled the foreign press itself! Now that journalists are safely outside of Gaza, some are complaining that Hamas threatened and prevented them from giving an objective report on the ground. So, they are putting footage on YouTube that proves Hamas fired rockets next to hotels and UN buildings, and that Hamas operatives wore regular street clothing so their casualties were counted as civilian.

The UN has never explicitily denounced Hamas by name for any of this.

ISRAEL'S MILITARY OPERATION

Hamas was behind the kidnapping and murder of three Israeli teens in June, and then launched some 200 missiles aimed at Israeli population centers, forcing Israel to take military action to stop the rockets, destroy the tunnels, and restore calm. Over the course of the month-long operation Hamas fired over 3,000 rockets at Israel endangering the lives of 6 million civilians.

Israel uncovered over 30 tunnels and destroyed about half of Hamas’ missile stockpiles which were found in homes, mosques and schools. Hamas alleges that out of the 1,800 people killed over 70% of them were civilians, but Israel says that some 900 combatants were killed while firing on Israeli troops in Gaza.

During Operation Protective Edge, Israel repeatedly stated that the people of Gaza were not their enemy. They went out of their way to warn the inhabitants of buildings and neighborhoods with leaflets, text messages, telephone calls, and a “knock” on the building with an empty shell before they would fire at a target. Many missions were also aborted because civilians were seen in the vicinity.

The truth is, had Israel not gone to such lengths to save the lives of civilians, urban warfare in a city as densely populated as Gaza City would have resulted in tens of thousands of deaths. Nevertheless, the images of dead children broadcast on both TV and social media drowned out any attempts by the spokespersons of the Israeli government to explain their regard for civilian lives.

Everyone involved has paid a hefty price because of the terrorist regime ruling Gaza. While Hamas suffered a military defeat; the people of Gaza lost homes, businesses, and a future; and Israel’s reputation suffered greatly in the public arena of images vs words. Unless the West places conditions on their funding–conditions like demilitarization of Gaza, an end of Hamas rule, and education to prepare the people for peaceful coexistence with Israel–it will happen all over again.

For Zion's Sake,


Susan Michael
ICEJ US Director

IsraelAnswers.com is a project of the US Branch of the International Chrisitian Embassy Jerusalem dedicated to sharing the facts and spreading the truth about Israel and Christian Zionism.


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intelligence service, Mossad, has confirmed that the Israeli art students were, in fact, part of a major Israeli intelligence operation and that they were conducting surveillance of the activities of the 9-11 hijackers.

They also worked with the Israeli Urban Moving System employees in New Jersey who were seen in at least two Jersey City locations -- Liberty State Park and The Doric apartment building -- celebrating the impact of the first plane into the World Trade Center.

The Israelis at Liberty State Park were dressed in Arab-style clothing when they were witnessed celebrating the first attack. The FBI later confiscated a videotape they filmed of the first attack.

http://tinyurl.com/8ss8r7r

State Dep't Defines Israeli Settler Violence as Terrorism

http://tinyurl.com/8cn3cpz

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WHEN WILL ISRAELIS LEARN THAT TERRORISM DOESN'T PAY?

Thu., October 28, 2004
IDF troops shot and killed an 8-year-old Palestinian girl who was on her way to school in a Gaza Strip refugee camp
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/494672.html


UN officials: Girl hit by IDF gunfire in UN school in Gaza

By Amos Harel, Haaretz Correspondent and AP

Tue., October 12, 2004 Tishrei 27, 5765

An 11-year-old Palestinian girl was shot in the stomach and critically wounded by Israel Defense Forces gunfire IDF troops fired two shots, one of the shots hit a fifth-grade student at the school. Last month, a 10-year-old girl was killed by IDF gunfire while sitting at her desk at the same school.


http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/487788.html

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The truth is the Israelite's could save the day at any time. All they have to do is follow His instructions and real peace would follow and the world community would embrace them as fellow human beings.

They are the only ones who can make this kind of change that would encircle the earth with understanding, fellowship and a oneness feeling for all.

This is not a huge request. Just do it and then it will be done.

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The truth is the Israelite's could save the day at any time. All they have to do is follow His instructions and real peace would follow and the world community would embrace them as fellow human beings.

They are the only ones who can make this kind of change that would encircle the earth with understanding, fellowship and a oneness feeling for all.


I totally agree with you Passingby . The nation of Israel as it appears now seem to be very vindictive but not so much as Hamas if you want to make points . It is not the Israel of the bible , just the Jews . Some say ' not even the Jews ' . We all know what happened when the Jews turned the other cheek during the second world war .
Israel will bring peace to the world but not the way you or I say but the way the bible says . You can't just take a scripture here and there and say this is what it means one has to know the bible through and through to get the full picture without the infusion of religious indoctrination . God gives people with a will to understand the truth , the truth if they keep asking and reading His word . It helps also to learn the real history of Israel right from it's inception with Jacob our Patriarch .


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Hamas have admitted now to kidnapping and murdering the 3 Israeli teenagers that started the latest round of fighting . They also killed 21 of their own who oversaw the building of tunnels so they could not give away information if caught .
THEY ALSO KILLED 160 CHILDREN WORKING IN THEIR TUNNELS . So I suggest it is time people see logic and stop this stupid numbers game . God will deal with it all in his way . I just put stuff on here so that people can hopefully see things logically instead of fanning the flames .


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They also killed 21 of their own who oversaw the building of tunnels


"They"? I will not believe that fellow Palestinians would murder fellow Palestinians who are building these tunnels. This is propaganda.

Israeli's have blockaded the west bank from all outside services and goods. They are cut off from the outside world by Israeli aggression and barbwire fences. The only way they can get goods in order to survive is via these tunnels. This is the facts, not Zion propaganda.

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They also killed 21 of their own who oversaw the building of tunnels


"They"? I will not believe that fellow Palestinians would murder fellow Palestinians who are building these tunnels. This is propaganda.

Israeli's have blockaded the west bank from all outside services and goods. They are cut off from the outside world by Israeli aggression and barbwire fences. The only way they can get goods in order to survive is via these tunnels. This is the facts, not Zion propaganda.


It has become glaringly obvious pb that you don't deal in facts at all . The Gazans get anything they want through the right channaels . Truckloads go in everyday . They don't use the tunnels to get aid . Hamas control and kill at will .
I think that you are just trying to provoke reactions but it has become obvious that you do not read evrything properly and jump to conclussions bringing negative results .
I just want them all to stop .


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