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PostPosted: Sat Oct 20, 2007 7:53 pm 
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Ephesians 5: 18 .....be filled with the Spirit;
19  Speaking to yourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord;


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Where is the " power " that your misinterpretation of this phenomina is supposed to bring ? Those who believe the truth of Christ are filled with His Spirit from the time they believe and the "power " is present as they walk in His law of total mercy . If we have no mercy then we are not walking in The Spirit . If we are not walking in The Spirit then we are not filled with The Spirit .
One thing I know is that people pushing your form of manifestation cannot discern evil spirits and their churches are prone to be hot beds for perverts and all sorts of evil because there is no " power of proper discernment . " There is absolutely no difference in the spirit they have than the spirit of the secular world , I have seen it and proven it .

If you have " the power " then there is no need to argue about it , it will prove itself .


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 22, 2007 7:28 am 
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I'm posting regularly a study on Christ's law in the Bible study forum , NJA , and you are welcome to read it objectively to learn about this law you say you haven't heard of .
It doesn't surprise me when people deny this law as Martin Luther and the other reformers led people to believe a lie by presenting a half truth that has been carried down to our generation by all the churches .

2 Thessalonians 2:11  And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

Even though people genuinely repent and believe they are then led away by the traditions of men each filling the other half with their own doctrines hence the vaguaries and opposition to each other . Fill the other half with Christ's law that He provided for us by His sacrifice and there is no reason for any arguements .

As for your proferred list I've seen those before " been there , done that ," and been back to check and found that they weren't healed at all only talking it up . The reality is , if what you say you have was real you would be ' turning the world upside down ' just as Christ's disciples did but I'm afraid to say that no one who speaks the tongues you talk about is doing that .

The reason the early Church turned the world upside down is because they had unity of ' The Spirit " because they believed the truth of Christ's law that is why James calls it the Royal Law ( because Christ is our King ) and we won't see that again until there is unity again .


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 7:18 am 
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1 Corinthians 13:1  ¶Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not LOVE , I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.
2  And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not LOVE, I am nothing.
3  And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not LOVE, it profiteth me nothing.
4  ¶LOVE suffereth long, and is kind; LOVE envieth not; LOVE vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up,
5  Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil;
6  Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth;
7  Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.
8  ¶LOVE never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.
9  For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.
10  But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.


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I know a lot of people who use the false tounges you r talking about and they do not have love . In fact I would never want the kind of personality they do have .

Paul was talking about being able to use all the languages of the places he visited but saying it was best to use the common language of the place you are at .


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Psalms and Hymns ( biblical ) WILL stir ALL .


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Sorry if I'm asking a question thats all ready been touched on but I want to ask "How does someone receive the Holy Spirit"?

It seems to me its our salvation that is of uppermost importance not the gifts or miracles. Whether someone speaks in tongues to me is neither here nor there on the basis God gives different gifts to different people as he sets out in [1 Corinthians 12:] However Paul makes the matter perfectly clear when he says of everything Charity is the true fruit of the believer [1 Corinthians 13]

Please, can anyone setout clearly what the Apostle Peter said and did on the day of Pentecost that caused the people to be filled with the Holy Spirit.

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Hi John -

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Please, can anyone setout clearly what the Apostle Peter said and did on the day of Pentecost that caused the people to be filled with the Holy Spirit.


I can't discover that the Apostle Peter did or said anything before the event, but He was prominent after, with explanation and exhortation. The passage of scripture simply says; "When the day of Pentecost came, they were all together in one place;" And goes on to describe the event.

I believe that this discussion arises because folk use the Pentecostal event as a model, when they ought to perceive that is was unique. This was the time when the New Covenant" was still being forged and things were happening for the FIRST time. This event deserved a fanfare, which it got - " a sound like the blowing of a violent wind came from heaven and filled the whole house where they were sitting. 3 They saw what seemed to be tongues of fire that separated and came to rest on each of them."

Up to this time the Holy Spirit of God had never dwelt within a person - the scriptures hitherto spoke of the "Spirit descending" on someone - usually just for a finite time and purpose. The Children of Israel were not led by the Spirit of God, but lived under law.

Pentecost heralded the New Covenant and the real expectation we should have for today is contained in Peter's explanation:
38 Peter replied, "Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit . 39 The promise is for you and your children and for all who are far off--for all whom the Lord our God will call."

God is indivisible (immutable) so you can't separate off portions to suit yourself - If you have accepted Jesus into your heart, then you have the whole package whether you like it or not. As Peter says, "And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit".

When God spoke through Jeremiah, He promised this: "I will put my law in their minds and write it on their hearts." And through Joel He promised, "28 `And afterward, I will pour out my Spirit on all people." This promise is not provisional to SOME people, but to ALL

Whether the manifestations of the the Spirit are immediately apparent in your life is up to the particular contract that God makes with each person. He treats us all differently, as individuals, and it is totally wrong to make up rules like, "You can't be born again if you don't speak in tongues;" or "Speaking in tongues is a sign of the devil".

I like the scriptural analogies, and the relevant one here is; "7 I tell you the truth, anyone who will not receive the kingdom of God like a little child will never enter it.". Just as in life some kids are born prodigies and some aren't, so it is when we are born again spiritually - some burst forth with the gift of tongues, some have to learn a word at a time, the hard way, and some stay dumb.

I also like the point Les made early in this discussion - the fruit of the Spirit is what we should look at, and seeing the fruit of Love, Joy, Peace, Patience, and so on is the only reliable indicator of the presence (or absence) of the Holy Spirit; not whether an individual has been blessed with some specific spiritual GIFT.

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PostPosted: Sat May 01, 2010 11:14 am 
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Hi Chris ,
I posted that treatise in order to point out that we will always have arguements until the day that Jesus Christ returns . Our natural or carnal nature will always be fighting against the spiritual because we have not yet been changed completely .
Romans 7:14  ¶For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
Romans 8:7  Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

Paul & Baranabas argued , Peter & John argued and separated but they still carried on with their commision . Only once we " all know Him " will this stop . Personally I wasn't arguing just pointing out how I have found things to be and I don't see that any of the others were either . It is the condemnation from others that should not be happening because for us now there is no condemnation in Christ Jesus .

Romans 8:1  ¶There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

When you made your " confession " in another thread you were not failing it was just your natural man coming forward for a while and then you overcame him by the " blood of the Lamb " . There is absolutely no reason to feel guilty or a failure . It happens to us all .
Revelation 12:11  And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.

1 Corinthians 2:14  But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

I also don't follow the scaremongering doctrine of future tribulation . The early Christians went through that :-
Hebrews 11:37  They were stoned, they were sawn asunder, were tempted, were slain with the sword: they wandered about in sheepskins and goatskins; being destitute, afflicted, tormented;
The only thing that hasn't been fulfilled yet is the unity that Jesus prayed we would be given .The only way that can be accomplished is if we all believe that He established His Royal Law , by the shedding of His blood , just as the Apostles did . Then He can unite us . We cannot do this and the myriad of different doctrines and churches make that obvious .

No one will ever find the truth taught in any of the man made empirical churches . It is time for the New Church to rise based on the Royal Law .


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PostPosted: Sat May 01, 2010 8:58 pm 
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Hi Chris ,
Even though this is my own site I still haven't worked out how to use the quotes properly . There were some changes after the hacker broke in and Rhys , the IT wizz is now living in Adelaide so I can't just pop around the corner for help any more .
Your first Query was about how others see our debating differences . I have learnt that this is not really our problem to worry about and some things I thought I had done wrong actually helped other people because God was making it work for good , it then becomes His work and not ours which are as filthy rags anyway . That , I guess leads to the law problem that no Christian should have . The Royal law is simply loving your neighbour as yourself . Jesus called this the second commandment , The first being to Love God with all our heart and soul and that is why James called it the Royal law because Jesus is our King . " King of kings and lord of lords . " The new Church is simply returning to the beliefs and teachings of the original and the unity they had in the Spirit of Christ .
Right through the New Testament we are taught how to love our neighbour as ourselves and these become the works of Christ , which He can the use for His good , if we believe this is why he died and rose again for us . If we don't believe then they are our own works and are as sounding brass and tinkling cymbols of no use whatsoever . If we are only believing half of what He did then we are believing a lie and can only then rely on the old testament law which nobody could ever keep anyway . The world , and I have found , Church oganisations still try and survive by the O.T . law and what a mess they are in . Using the Royal Law we don't go anywhere near the need for Moses' law .

When I said unity is the only thing not fulfilled yet I meant before Christ's return .
The rapture is another biblical myth . Going to heaven is a myth . ( I haven't got all the facts at my finger tips right now but aparently the book " shocked by the Bible , " says that too . I've checked and double checked all those things taught by churches and find that they are just not in the Bible if you read it objectively . Sermonisers miss out words and phrases etc , and lead the sheep astray .
Jeremiah 50:6  My people hath been lost sheep: their shepherds have caused them to go astray, they have turned them away on the mountains: they have gone from mountain to hill, they have forgotten their restingplace.

Christ returns to the earth and rules and reigns for a thousand years during which time it may be that everyone on earth is converted as the Bible says the whole world will be saved .
Jeremiah 23:4  And I will set up shepherds over them which shall feed them: and they shall fear no more, nor be dismayed, neither shall they be lacking, saith the LORD.
( before or after His return , I don't know )
Then a new heaven and a new earth are created and we live in the City of our God forever .

I'm tired now so will have to stop . I hope you can follow what I'm trying to present but please ask me anything about it . The answers to all the usual questions thrown up by the old church are all there but I can only present them when asked . A lot of people have left this forum because it doesn't fit in with the teachings they follow but the forum is still here even though I have wondered why at times but encouragement has always come along .


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All the churches have been telling us lies for years , rght from the Nicean council around 32AD through the reformers from Catholic to protestant and then to the Pentecostals and other break offs . Every single one has kept some part of MAN'S doctrine to lie about and lead their prosylites astray to become worse than they are . The only way out is to have a complete change of thinking . Accept that God can give you His way of thinking and teach you the truth . Staying under the umbrella of a false church be it Presbyterian or whatever only shows that lies are still being accepted because of the blindness and deafness to the truth that these organisations display so openly .
The road to full truth can only be started apon once the tangable as well as the intangable atributes of our Lord's sacrifice are accepted by each individual . Then we are filled with His Holy Spirit , not to satisfy our own selfish quest for happiness , ( hierarchical sytesms , man driven or spuriously spirit driven , ) but to fulfill His works which are simple everyday acts of neighbourliness , then , and only then , will the Holy Spirit work wonders in our world .

PS . Only one perso has ever asked if they could post their url on here ( a simple everyday act ) and once I had looked at it I accepted it . Many others have posted without asking and so I do not bother with them for that very reason ( their selfish act ) .
I do leave them on though for others to make their own decision .


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Whatever I say , Oscar , will upset you because we have different ways of thnking . I have found and been taught by God through a long process that all the professing christian churches are teaching lies and false doctrines . I have done what you are doing and learnt a bit of truth here and there only because I checked and double checked everything I was being told and was led to the truth .Therefore anyone to whom God has shown the truth or who has been prepared to go through what it takes to find the truth will not stay with any of these man made and ruled organisations . I have met a few of these people and we all had to learn the hard way but finding the start of the journey is worth more than anything this world or any church can give . To carry on that journey is so much more than carrying on with any church organisation .
I'm not here to frolic with religious organisations or to argue the rights and wrongs . Those who don't like it and prefer to stay with the easy way usually just leave and are welcome to as far as I am concerned . The Holy Spirit of God made this site possible and if He doesn't want it He will take it away . In the meantime , hopefully , those whom God is calling will find the truth the same as I have and the hard of hearing will have their ears opened and there eyes so they will stop listening to and following the lies .


Revelation 17:1  ¶And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters:
Revelation 19:2  For true and righteous are his judgments: for he hath judged the great whore, which did corrupt the earth with her fornication, and hath avenged the blood of his servants at her hand.


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Hi
This is just my thought on the gift of tongues.

1Co 13:1 Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.

Paul is saying that charity (i.e. love) towards our brethren, should be the basis for all that we do, especially with the gifts the Lord has given us. Otherwise they are of no real use, except for self gratification.
To build oneself up is not something the Lord tells us to do. The Lord tells us we are to build one another up in his word. The word ‘edify’ means to instruct, or to educate. By so doing I have found that the Lord, through the Holy Spirit gives me encouragement to carry on.
If there were any tongues of angels, and I had them, and did not use them to the benefit of my neighbour, (i.e. brethren) it would be nothing else except a vain and prattling type of babbling” that gives a rude and uncertain sound.

May the Lord help us to keep our eyes firmly fixed on him and have love (charity) toward the brethren. Remember, love is an action word. We are not to have a sloppy, or erotic ( Eros ) love, but an unconditional love toward each other.
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I am saddened as I read from Oscarr's posts. My personal experiences and observational experiences show that when some is baptized into a church or denomination, they belong to that church; - eg. a Pentecostal, Anglican, Catholic....ect. I prefer to belong to God.

I am reminded of when Elijah was called away. He walked to the place where he was lifted up, ably followed by Elisha. Along the way Elisha was called by the sons of the prophets to come and stay with them. The sons of the prophets were believers and knew what was taking place as they said: "Do you know that the Lord will take away your master from you today?" 2Kings. 2:5. And yet Elisha replied (v5) "Yes I know, keep silent."
Elijah's heart was totally for God, and for this he was lifted up to Heaven in a whirlwind. Even Elijah said to him to .... "Stay here, please, " (v6). Yet Elisha knew where the Word of God was and would not leave sight of It. He replied to Elijah; "As the Lord lives, and as your soul lives, I will not leave you." (v6). I find denominations are like the prophets and their sons. They find a truth and stay with it, but they build walls of laws around it to protect it. And eventually lose sight of the real goal. Oneness with God.
In this last paragraph we note in the Word of God that was quoted,it was the sons of the prophets. Were they literal sons, no I believe they were the sons by belief and following the words of their prophets. Likewise we are sons of God by following the Word of God. I would much rather be like Elisha than the sons of the prophets and follow the true Word, where ever it may lead me.

As for the trinity of the Godhead... Let's look at a candle. Three things make up a candle: wax, wick, and flame. For a candle is said to not be a candle unless it can give light. Therefore 3 elements make up 'one' candle. Again: The thought is father to the deed. As is also the thought of pure Love is Father to the Word and Deed of that Love. Love is, and needs to be expressed, (as the candle needs a flame), it is expressed in Word, and that word then has life and becomes the Deed. Deeds have power. Genesis: 1:2. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters. (v3) Then God said: "Let there, be light"; and there was light. The Spirit hovered awaiting the Word of command. Love longed for and needed expression. The Word gave expression of that Love, and the Holy Spirit moved. There was light. If I had love for another human being and it was not expressed in either word or deed, is it really love? I believe not. An emotion needs expression. When all is boiled down God only asks one thing of us, to love and to love completely and purely. For pure and complete love will be expressed in word and deed,and we will become the sons of Love. I am a Human being. I have a body, mind and soul. A body can live on with replaced parts, The mind can die and yet the body can be made to live. But without the soul both mind and body are dead. My soul is God's for I have freely given it to Him. With my soul I feel love. With that feeling I think of Love...God's love, and my body expresses that love.

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Being fulfilled with the Holy Spirit is one of the blessings that God maybe gave to us.. Holy spirit gives us conscience for us to do great things.. and not to do bad things.. so everyday we must be filled with the holy spirit and be led by the spirit of God.









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